Tuesday, March 23, 2010

Relationship is better than Religion Part 1

Last night, I was reading through status updates on facebook and came across one that said something to the sort of this:  "One of our preachers said that the rock band Stryper shaped his faith, well no rock band shaped my faith only Jesus Christ."  My response back was:  "This may not have ministered to you, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't minister to other people.  God is a creative being, dont put him in a box"  These are not the exact words of the post, only what I can remember.  I was on my ipod at the time, had I been on my laptop I would have copied and pasted the entire conversation for everyone to read and decide for themselves, but the poster of this status promptly deleted the entire debate from his facebook page after all was said and done. 

My response was promptly met by a total of 27 posts in about an hour on the subject of "HOLY LIVING" and how rock music was degrading.  One woman even went as far to say that "satan worshipers worship satan while listening to christian rock, they don't have to listen to the words because the music is enough."  Um, the bible says at the name of Jesus Hell trembles, so apparently this is not a fact.... This same woman also stated "would Jesus listen to that kind of music?  I THINK NOT!"  My reply to that comment was, oh, its good to know that you are so close to God that you would know what kind of music HE would listen to.

I have so much to say on this subject that this blog would be to long, so I think Im going to break it up into a couple.  So here goes part 1

First of all, I don't even like Stryper.  I think their song "To Hell with the Devil" is hilarious, and pretty corny, but the fact is that they were trying to be a light in a dark world.  These people who attacked me on the post last night said things like "you have to find their music in the ROCK section!"  My response to that is THANK GOD ITS IN THE ROCK SECTION.  Why do people not get that?  Can they not take a minute to stop and think, okay, sinners listen to rock.  This band talks about God, they have a scripture on the front of their album.  A sinner buys the album, because its in the rock section, sinner takes album home, sinner listens to album, sinner hears about a man named Jesus, sinner wonders who this Jesus is, sinner see's a verse on the cover, sinner gets out a bible to read what the verse is.  HOLY COW.  Just from a stryper album being in the rock section at a music store, someone who may have never otherwise even known about Jesus or the bible has now been introduced to Christianity, the seed has been planted.  Im not saying this happens with every person who listens to stryper, but this is just and example of how GOD can use ANYTHING.

These people last night went on and on about being holy and how this was unacceptable, I cant even remember all the things that were said, but I dont understand how someone can be SO close minded.  God doesn't need us to make him holy or unholy.  HE IS HOLY.  We may do things that doesn't honor his holiness, but we can never make him any less holy by the actions we do.  God can use ANYTHING to minister to people.  Why is that so hard to understand, he is GOD!!!  He IS holy, so why are you putting limits on him?  Why do you put him in a box?  Why do you say that only Southern Gospel music is the "right music?"  Southern Gospel is good, and it ministers to certian people, but so does other things.  

Let me tell you something, southern gospel music has more hypocrites than we care to know about.  They are human just like us.  If God can use Kirk Talley, a man who wrote anointed songs in the middle of a struggle with homosexuality, then why do we rebuke a rock band who is trying to reach the lost?  You have sang his songs in your church Im sure and didnt think a thing about it yet you condemn young people to hell when they worship in their own way.  The thing is you say this music is the devils music, but yet there are similarities in secular music and "church" music....

Here are some examples to prove my point:  The following clip is a sample of Old western saloon piano music:

Now, the following is a clip of a hymn of the church....do you hear any similarities?

Can I scream a little bit?  WHAT     IS     THE    DIFFERENCE??????  Between THAT and having CHRISTIAN ROCK AND SECULAR ROCK?  What is the difference?  I'll tell you the difference.... THERE IS NONE!!!!  The difference between any genre of christian music and secular music has and always will be THE MESSAGE... and the message, JESUS, is what destroys the yolks, JESUS is what sets people free!

I said all this to say... people with this mindset have pure RELIGION.... RELIGION tells you that God cannot minister to other people through secular media, RELATIONSHIP with God tells you that ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE THROUGH HIM AND HE IS POWERFUL AND HOLY AND HE CAN DO ALL THINGS!!!!!  THROUGH ANYONE HE WANTS TO!  HE USES SINNERS TO COMPLETE HIS PLANS!  Look at his disciples!  Look at them, they were a mess, they were sinners!

Nathan sent me this scripture today that goes perfectly with this subject, and I will end on this note...

(and I've put several versions for the ones who dont believe in more relevant and easier to understand versions of the bible)

Matthew 9:11-12 (King James Version)

 11And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
 12But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

Matthew 9:11-12 (New International Version)

11When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"
 12On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.

Matthew 9:11-12 (The Message)

 10-11Later when Jesus was eating supper at Matthew's house with his close followers, a lot of disreputable characters came and joined them. When the Pharisees saw him keeping this kind of company, they had a fit, and lit into Jesus' followers. "What kind of example is this from your Teacher, acting cozy with crooks and riffraff?"
 12-13Jesus, overhearing, shot back, "Who needs a doctor: the healthy or the sick? Go figure out what this Scripture means: 'I'm after mercy, not religion.' I'm here to invite outsiders, not coddle insiders."


  1. All I can do is say AMEN and I totally feel like you just debunked every thing that was "preached" to me as a child! This is ENTIRELY how I feel and it's sad that it took 22 years to understand that GOD is not RELIGION. 5 thumbs up at this blog!

  2. Hey......I must say this blog really hit home with experiences I have had in my life.....I grew up in a holiness home - was taught to believe that PERFECTION is demanded of God and that is all that he would accept. I must tell you - that I rebelled at an early age and ran from religion. thank GOD he forgave me and I developed a RELATIONSHIP with Him. One scripture that has really ministered to me and helped me understand relationship is:
    1 Cor 9:22
    (King James Version)

    22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some

    same verse - different interpretation:
    1 Corinthians 9:22
    (New International Version)

    22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some.

    Reference the latter part of the scripture:
    I have become ALL things to ALL men so that by ALL means I might SAVE some.

    I agree with you regarding closed minded people.......what works for them - may not work for others.......God is multidimensional - He can become ALL things to ALL men in order to SAVE (reach) them......

    I am a music lover - always have been - always will be - there are a few genres that I personally do not enjoy - however - if that genre speaks to a certain culture - if you use that genre and glorify God with it - w/ clean and uplifting lyrics - WHO CARES what genre it is....rock, r&b, rap, reggae, etc......if it glorifies God with the lyrics and it reaches JUST ONE person and plants that seed and GOD FORBID - wins them to the Lord........who has the right to judge it and say that it is BAD ??????

    just my humble opinion - spoken in love.....

    Brenda Barker